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Ukraine Update: Russians and their boosters cope, and Ukraine breaks through in Kherson

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There are tactical victories, in which the combatants improve their positions on a map, and there are strategic victories, that allow combatants to advance their overall war aims. Lyman was a strategic Ukrainian victory.

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For Ukraine, Lyman is on a major rail line extending up to Kharkiv and, ultimately, to Kyiv, and can feed Ukrainian forces east of the Oskil and north of the Siversky Donets rivers. Repairing all rail bridges reconnecting this line will be a Ukrainian priority. Taking down those bridges should be a Russian priority, but they’ll fire at civilian apartment buildings and bus stops instead. That rail line also extends down to Bakhmut through Sivers’k, bolstering those defenses. Bakhmut isn’t currently cut off, but additional rail connections makes it harder for Russia to isolate the city of its obsessions (the only place left where it continues to press on the offensive).

For Russia, Lyman was a stronghold protecting its positions in the tri-oblast area (Kharkiv, Donetsk, and Luhansk). Given that Russia pretends the latter two are now Mother Russia, their pretend boundary is now exposed to Ukrainian attack, and their scramble to set up new defensive lines at Kreminna proves they wren’t prepared.

Kreminna is the prize of the moment. Look at the map—with Kreminna, Ukraine has a straight shot up not to Svatove, which would unlock that entire mass of red at the top of this map, and also presses Rubizhne, Severodonetsk, and Lysychansk to the southeast, which Russia captured at massive expense just a few months ago. It’s like a fulcrum, forcing Russia to defend to critically importance places at once, and its importance isn’t lost on Russian military pundits.

War criminal Igor Girkin:

According to the information received, the Armed Forces of Ukraine took full control of the village of Torskoye, northeast of Liman. There is nothing critical in this, but now the question arises of holding Kremennaya - one of the key points providing the northern flank of the defense of Lisichansk. Under no circumstances should you give up a flint.

Another Russian military blogger:

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The enemy is on the way to Kremennaya. The sounds of a distant battle between the federal troops and the Ukrainians are heard in the city. The western outskirts of the city under artillery fire. The main blow is expected from the northwest. The total number of enemy forces is estimated by fighters and commanders at approximately 12,000 people [...]

At the moment, Russian troops completely control the road from Rubizhne to Kremennaya and the village of Zhitlovka. Chervonopopovka and Peschannoye are a gray area.

Most likely, the plans of the Hohols include the speedy occupation of Peschannoye, in which the dominant height 160–7 is located. In the event that this height passes under enemy control, the meaning of defense from the east of Kremennaya will be lost.

Kreminna lies in a valley, surrounded by forested hills up to 150 meters in elevation on its southern, eastern, and western sides. Not the tallest hills, but enough to allow Ukrainian forces to fire at will into Russian defensive positions.

As Russian forces reel, everyone has forgotten the celebration of Russia’s “annexation” of captured Ukrainian territory. Here are some of the ways Russia’s friends are coping:

1) Denying reality

(From Friday, September 30:)

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Deluded propagandist Will Shryver, usually prolific, hasn’t posted anything since Lyman fell on Saturday.

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After Lyman’s fall, Big Serge took his Twitter account private. That is its own special kind of cope.

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These propagandists have been comparing the current Ukrainian offensive to the Battle of the Bulge since the start of the Kharkiv offensive. The analogy isn’t quite working out for them.

2. Russia is bleeding Ukraine dry

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There is this weird belief that Ukraine lost thousands of men and hundreds of pieces of equipment in the Lyman assault, yet zero photographic evidence of such loses. If you look on Telegram, it’s the opposite. I literally had nightmares last night from some of the video I saw of the “Road of life” out of Lyman, shredded by Ukrainian artillery as Russian forces desperately tried to get out. Don’t go looking for it, I promise. I won’t even describe some of the stuff I saw, and please, don’t add or describe in comments.

3. Guys, it’s alright. People still like us!

Depressed by Russia's military failures, Kremlin-controlled state TV beamed in Scott Ritter to tell them how great the Russian military is doing and how much Americans respect Russia. pic.twitter.com/QS3ay19Rru

— Julia Davis (@JuliaDavisNews) October 1, 2022

4. Anger

Honestly, they should be angry. This is the most honest cope.

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Military blogger with 130,000 followers on Telegram:

So, comrades Shoigu and Gerasimov, they want to ask here, but it seems like it’s not right and they’ve been pissing in their pants so far. Does the president know what's going on? Who reports to him? Where is the supply? Where is Armata? Where is everyone? How did it happen? Fucked up? Sold? Where do you share? Were there at all? According to Izyum, Balakleya, Lyman - why didn't they do a damn thing? Why was the direction not strengthened? Why didn't you prepare for 8 months? On mobilization - are you doing this on purpose or on purpose? Why can't it be done properly?

Armata is Russia’s newest modern battle tank, which never made an appearance on the battlefield. Others wonder whatever happened to Russia’s vaunted Air Force, also AWOL for most of the war. As to “where is the supply,” we’ve been asking that question from the first days of the war.

5. Fake hope

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“We have won because of all those things that haven’t happened and there’s no evidence that they will!” There is also a great deal of hope on Europe “freezing” this winter, cut off from Russian gas.

Russian channels, referencing "Ukrainian sources", are saying that Putin is just about to start bringing in brand new vehicles and "high-tech BTGs" after all the soviet equipment has been used up. ? This is the crap they feed their readers.https://t.co/GHkwrlhdoZ pic.twitter.com/Q3aOHSAe9x

— Dmitri (@wartranslated) October 2, 2022

So to be clear, Russia gave its best-trained troops shitty Soviet equipment, to “dispose” of it, and will now give their best modern gear to untrained mobilized conscripts?

6. Ukraine is getting too much help!

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Of course, Russia has been spending $65 billion per year for decades building its war machine.

7. Attacking Russian leadership

With liberation of Lyman, military reporter Rybar suggests an informational coup is happening in the Russian media space, which now comes from above rather than below, with Prigozhyn and Kadyrov expressing discontent about leadership. Dangerous words.https://t.co/gTKu0VqiGl pic.twitter.com/YNytQuWWaG

— Dmitri (@wartranslated) October 1, 2022

Another version of this cope pretends that Russia is somehow holding back:

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If only Russia really fought the war, with rockets and missiles and warplanes and brutality, then Russia would be winning. Instead, Russia was trying to, checks notes, “avoid killing Ukrainian soldiers.”

8. It was NATO, not Ukraine

Russian orc, clearly drunk or high, says that situation around Lyman is difficult, as 'NATO troops, including Poles, Romanians, Afro-Americans' are pushing forward. Wtf? pic.twitter.com/fBKfTULp9c

— Churchill ?????? (@WarAgainstPutin) September 29, 2022

Russians invested so much in the narrative of Ukrainians as their “little brothers” incapable of managing anything on their own, that the idea of the world’s “Second Army” losing to them is beyond comprehension. That’s why Russian state TV keeps showing Malcolm Nance.

9. A dose of reality

Stunned reactions keep coming in with respect to Ukraine reclaiming Lyman. Andrey Gurulyov, former deputy commander of Russia's southern military district, said he couldn't explain the defeat. He blamed in on a system of lies, "top to bottom" and was suddenly disconnected. pic.twitter.com/O4aoRqVx96

— Julia Davis (@JuliaDavisNews) October 2, 2022

Meanwhile, this guy will soon find himself falling out of a skyscraper window:

На НТВ обозреватель "Ъ" Максим Юсин впрямую критикует Путина, который "включил" в состав РФ территории, которые РФ не контролирует: "Я не помню такого прецедента в мировой истории". И называет "мечтателями" тех, кто хочет "освободить" Запорожье. Видео by @JuliaDavisNews pic.twitter.com/JjsxLYdRDE

— Рустем Адагамов (@adagamov) October 2, 2022


Sunday, Oct 2, 2022 · 4:46:36 PM +00:00 · kos

Some of the reports out of Kherson, all from Russian Telegram, seem too good to be true.

#Kherson Oblast: Several Russian Telegram channels claim that the Ukrainian forces broke through in the northeast of Russia's Kherson pocket-to-be yesterday and today, and that Russian defenses rolled back to Dudchany - if true it's a 20km deep breakthrough. pic.twitter.com/lgK5Q3HJBO

— English Luhansk (@loogunda) October 2, 2022


Sunday, Oct 2, 2022 · 4:53:12 PM +00:00 · kos

This was implied by the Russian Telegram post I included at the top of this story—to approach the hills northwest of Kreminni, these settlements had to be liberated.

Russian troops fully abandoned all remaining positions Northeast of Lyman. Terny and Nevske (which is part of Luhansk Oblast) have been taken by Ukrainian forces. By doing this even the last pockets of Russian forces have been completely eliminated in Northern Donetsk Oblast. pic.twitter.com/OzbkoOv4fd

— (((Tendar))) (@Tendar) October 2, 2022


Sunday, Oct 2, 2022 · 4:54:57 PM +00:00 · kos


Noticing some messages from smaller channels (who again tend to be a bit more truthful) that the situation in Kherson is difficult for Russian forces.https://t.co/T9ukZBge9y pic.twitter.com/RbeUKJve2p

— Dmitri (@wartranslated) October 2, 2022


Sunday, Oct 2, 2022 · 4:56:54 PM +00:00 · kos


The message saying "in the course of today the stabilisation of the front failed in this direction" is less than an hour old, there are other ones mentioning that reserves are needed in the area but there's none. So yes, it may be not an end point there. https://t.co/G9RwHnRlvR

— English Luhansk (@loogunda) October 2, 2022

In short, what these Russian commenters on Telegram are saying is that Ukraine punched through the lines 20 kilometers to Dudchany, but the town doesn’t have prepared defenses, and they are having trouble establishing any. Russia is calling for reinforcements, but none exist (whether it’s lack of personnel, or whether the Ukrainian blockade makes the transportation of fuel difficult).

That means that Ukraine may be in the process of punching into Russia’s backfield, behind its prepared defenses along the contact line in that entire sector. Indeed, Ukraine may be able to romp all the way down that highway until … Nova Kakhovka? One can dream, but in reality, I would expect Russia to collapse those northern lines and bring them closer to the Kherson-Beryslav-Nova Kakovka line. Russia doesn’t benefit much from holding that territory in northern Kherson oblast. It’s flat, open steppe, sparsely populated. Russia wanted it for propaganda purposes, to claim it held most of Kherson oblast’s administrative boundaries. But none of that really matters much.


It’ll be interesting, however, to see how Vladimir Putin explains losing so much “Russian territory” to Europe’s second-poorest nation. Or was Malcolm Nance also seen around Kherson?

Sunday, Oct 2, 2022 · 6:21:01 PM +00:00 · kos

Yet more Ukrainian progress:

Ukrainian forces have broken out from the Kupyansk bridgehead and have been moving deep into Russian-occupied territory. Russian troops try to establish a defense perimeter but Ukrainian forces already engage Russian troops in Orlyanske and Mykolaivka. #Kharkiv #Luhasnk #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/YbG777lgtf

— (((Tendar))) (@Tendar) October 2, 2022


Sunday, Oct 2, 2022 · 7:29:23 PM +00:00 · kos


Russian blogger "Rybar" shows Ukrainian forces having made massive advances in the Kherson area. Acc to him they have managed to take Zolota Balka, Leninske, Khreschenivka and supposedly Liubymivka.#Ukraine #russia #putin #putinswar #UkraineRussiaWar pic.twitter.com/xvy5fNApXb

— raging545 (@raging545) October 2, 2022
 
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